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		<title>By: Jody Bruner</title>
		<link>http://brunerbiz.com/grammar/i-judge-you-when-you-use-poor-grammar/comment-page-1/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Bruner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wes--I agree completely. J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wes&#8211;I agree completely. J</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Mullins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spelling and Grammatical errors are like boogers hanging from your nose.  It is better that someone informs you BEFORE you go out in public.  It is still embarrassing but it&#039;s one less characteristic on which you will be critiqued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spelling and Grammatical errors are like boogers hanging from your nose.  It is better that someone informs you BEFORE you go out in public.  It is still embarrassing but it&#8217;s one less characteristic on which you will be critiqued.</p>
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		<title>By: Signs, signs, everywhere there’s signs… &#124; Saybrook Marketing Communications</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signs, signs, everywhere there’s signs… &#124; Saybrook Marketing Communications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 14:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps with a little help, I can overcome my urge to edit all things incorrect. After all, “Signs, signs, everywhere there’s signs.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Perhaps with a little help, I can overcome my urge to edit all things incorrect. After all, “Signs, signs, everywhere there’s signs.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Bruner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody Bruner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jessica, thanks for your thoughtful and heartfelt comment. I can imagine how frustrating it must be to teach a group of students who don&#039;t care about language and don&#039;t value the knowledge you want to share with them. In the corporate world I teach in, people with poor grammar skills KNOW it limits them and are hungry for any help I can give them.

I agree that poor grammar can show a lack of care. I think it can show other things as well. It can show laziness or intimacy. It can show lack of knowledge or low literacy. And depending on the situation in which I use bad grammar, I&#039;ll judge and be judged differently. My close friends will ignore my sloppy, hastily written text messages but my clients will not. The ideal place to be, and it&#039;s where you are I are, is knowing the rules of standard English well enough to have the confidence to break them. The most important thing to me is communicating your idea clearly, which you have done even without the missing paragraph break. 

Jody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jessica, thanks for your thoughtful and heartfelt comment. I can imagine how frustrating it must be to teach a group of students who don&#8217;t care about language and don&#8217;t value the knowledge you want to share with them. In the corporate world I teach in, people with poor grammar skills KNOW it limits them and are hungry for any help I can give them.</p>
<p>I agree that poor grammar can show a lack of care. I think it can show other things as well. It can show laziness or intimacy. It can show lack of knowledge or low literacy. And depending on the situation in which I use bad grammar, I&#8217;ll judge and be judged differently. My close friends will ignore my sloppy, hastily written text messages but my clients will not. The ideal place to be, and it&#8217;s where you are I are, is knowing the rules of standard English well enough to have the confidence to break them. The most important thing to me is communicating your idea clearly, which you have done even without the missing paragraph break. </p>
<p>Jody</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poot. I did put in double spaces to indicate new paragraphs, but I forgot to re-add them after copy-and-pasting from Word. I&#039;m so glad I added that last paragraph pre-empting my error and forgiving me for it. 

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poot. I did put in double spaces to indicate new paragraphs, but I forgot to re-add them after copy-and-pasting from Word. I&#8217;m so glad I added that last paragraph pre-empting my error and forgiving me for it. </p>
<p> <img src='http://brunerbiz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an English teacher in a disadvantaged school, I have had some really difficult classes of very reluctant learners. What frustrates me about poor grammar is that many of these rules cited are *really* easy to learn. Educators put a lot of effort into using every method at our disposal: mnemonics, games, practical scenarios, real-world applications even role-play to highlight how important correct use of the English language is and yet so many young people just don’t care. I’ve been asked: “Why are we doing this?” when teaching a class of senior students how to write resumes. Since I had a good relationship with the student, I was able to respond honestly: “Because it will get you a job, dumbass.” How many other teachers have had to gloss over that? I was lucky the kid was taking the piss – It highlighted to the rest of the work avoiders exactly what he’d noticed. 
To me poor grammar and spelling indicates a lack of care about the image we project to others. Hiding it under a veil of avoiding ‘elitism’ is effectively blaming others for your own carelessness. Personally, I believe the only way kind of stupid is when anyone is unwilling to learn more or push themselves. 
That said, I’ll always make exceptions for things like typos, or rushed missives, since keyboards (phone keyboards in particular) are not designed for effective communication, but we’re becoming more and more dependent on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an English teacher in a disadvantaged school, I have had some really difficult classes of very reluctant learners. What frustrates me about poor grammar is that many of these rules cited are *really* easy to learn. Educators put a lot of effort into using every method at our disposal: mnemonics, games, practical scenarios, real-world applications even role-play to highlight how important correct use of the English language is and yet so many young people just don’t care. I’ve been asked: “Why are we doing this?” when teaching a class of senior students how to write resumes. Since I had a good relationship with the student, I was able to respond honestly: “Because it will get you a job, dumbass.” How many other teachers have had to gloss over that? I was lucky the kid was taking the piss – It highlighted to the rest of the work avoiders exactly what he’d noticed.<br />
To me poor grammar and spelling indicates a lack of care about the image we project to others. Hiding it under a veil of avoiding ‘elitism’ is effectively blaming others for your own carelessness. Personally, I believe the only way kind of stupid is when anyone is unwilling to learn more or push themselves.<br />
That said, I’ll always make exceptions for things like typos, or rushed missives, since keyboards (phone keyboards in particular) are not designed for effective communication, but we’re becoming more and more dependent on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely notice bad grammar but I&#039;m generally not irritated unless I think the person is attempting to be elite, especially in the corporate environment.  

E.g.  &quot;If you have any questions, please send an email to Tim and myself.&quot;  or &quot;... Tim and I&quot;.  

I am a fan of communicating simply and clearly.  If you want to branch out and try something fancy, you&#039;d better get it right.  (E.g. using &quot;myriad&quot; and phrases like &quot;carrots and sticks&quot;).

My favorite site on these matters is Paul Brians&#039; site on Errors in English.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely notice bad grammar but I&#8217;m generally not irritated unless I think the person is attempting to be elite, especially in the corporate environment.  </p>
<p>E.g.  &#8220;If you have any questions, please send an email to Tim and myself.&#8221;  or &#8220;&#8230; Tim and I&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I am a fan of communicating simply and clearly.  If you want to branch out and try something fancy, you&#8217;d better get it right.  (E.g. using &#8220;myriad&#8221; and phrases like &#8220;carrots and sticks&#8221;).</p>
<p>My favorite site on these matters is Paul Brians&#8217; site on Errors in English.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all make mistakes using grammar from time to time.

The comments on Youtube and IMDB are so bad, one has to tell them something. Bad grammar equals low credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all make mistakes using grammar from time to time.</p>
<p>The comments on Youtube and IMDB are so bad, one has to tell them something. Bad grammar equals low credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Bruner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody Bruner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, thanks for your thoughtful comment. I agree--anyone can learn to write more clearly (glad you chose that word instead of &#039;grammatically&#039; or &#039;correctly&#039;)if it&#039;s important enough to them. I have to believe that to do what I do. And yes, there are limits to how successful they will be, and getting better requires patience and persistence. 

Like you, poor language affects me on a visceral level. We&#039;re not alone--lots of people get emotional about language. Why? How? It&#039;s that feeling that I find so compelling and that I was trying to explore here. It feels good to be able to spot the problem, but it feels bad to feel superior. And of course, never really superior, because we can never be perfect. As the commenter before you noted, haha.

Jody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, thanks for your thoughtful comment. I agree&#8211;anyone can learn to write more clearly (glad you chose that word instead of &#8216;grammatically&#8217; or &#8216;correctly&#8217;)if it&#8217;s important enough to them. I have to believe that to do what I do. And yes, there are limits to how successful they will be, and getting better requires patience and persistence. </p>
<p>Like you, poor language affects me on a visceral level. We&#8217;re not alone&#8211;lots of people get emotional about language. Why? How? It&#8217;s that feeling that I find so compelling and that I was trying to explore here. It feels good to be able to spot the problem, but it feels bad to feel superior. And of course, never really superior, because we can never be perfect. As the commenter before you noted, haha.</p>
<p>Jody</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jody,

I agree with pretty well everything you&#039;ve said above.

The one comment above mine is actually what keeps me from discussing this matter on the internet, because ultimately instead of absorbing the points the author has laid out it becomes an opportunity to go over the content with a fine-tooth comb to find a mistake. While I&#039;m guessing the commenter was simply trying to be witty, this is often the result of such discussions - a pissing contest. We end up with a gang of brainiacs in a forum thread trying to out-do each other. I won&#039;t do that here.

What I found most important about your article is the loss of credibility. While I realize that a person&#039;s command of the English (or any other) language does not necessarily reflect their ability to repair my car - or even perform open-heart surgery for that matter - I just have this nagging feeling that this person&#039;s lack of attention, intelligence or pride is going to come back and bite me later on.

My feeling is that there are three categories of people when it comes to language:
1) those who make a real effort to write and speak clearly and who are generally successful at it
2) those who can get ideas across clearly enough but do not place importance on spelling and grammar
3) those who have difficulty maintaining any level of cohesion.

Obviously there are varying degrees to all those categories, and we occasionally come across &quot;tragedies&quot; such as individuals who are great storytellers but can&#039;t spell to save their lives.

I don&#039;t know what it is, but poor language use just BOTHERS me on some level. There&#039;s a certain respect that I (and I&#039;m sure others) hold for someone who can communicate well, and it&#039;s almost as though we are forced to see the rest of the population as idiotic. I don&#039;t think I could even date a woman who spells badly because on some level I&#039;d be looking down my nose at her! Is it elitism at its worst? I don&#039;t think so. Almost anyone could spell significantly better if they chose to apply themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jody,</p>
<p>I agree with pretty well everything you&#8217;ve said above.</p>
<p>The one comment above mine is actually what keeps me from discussing this matter on the internet, because ultimately instead of absorbing the points the author has laid out it becomes an opportunity to go over the content with a fine-tooth comb to find a mistake. While I&#8217;m guessing the commenter was simply trying to be witty, this is often the result of such discussions &#8211; a pissing contest. We end up with a gang of brainiacs in a forum thread trying to out-do each other. I won&#8217;t do that here.</p>
<p>What I found most important about your article is the loss of credibility. While I realize that a person&#8217;s command of the English (or any other) language does not necessarily reflect their ability to repair my car &#8211; or even perform open-heart surgery for that matter &#8211; I just have this nagging feeling that this person&#8217;s lack of attention, intelligence or pride is going to come back and bite me later on.</p>
<p>My feeling is that there are three categories of people when it comes to language:<br />
1) those who make a real effort to write and speak clearly and who are generally successful at it<br />
2) those who can get ideas across clearly enough but do not place importance on spelling and grammar<br />
3) those who have difficulty maintaining any level of cohesion.</p>
<p>Obviously there are varying degrees to all those categories, and we occasionally come across &#8220;tragedies&#8221; such as individuals who are great storytellers but can&#8217;t spell to save their lives.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it is, but poor language use just BOTHERS me on some level. There&#8217;s a certain respect that I (and I&#8217;m sure others) hold for someone who can communicate well, and it&#8217;s almost as though we are forced to see the rest of the population as idiotic. I don&#8217;t think I could even date a woman who spells badly because on some level I&#8217;d be looking down my nose at her! Is it elitism at its worst? I don&#8217;t think so. Almost anyone could spell significantly better if they chose to apply themselves.</p>
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